Comments on: Do electronic limescale inhibitors work? http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/ A place for words and data that I publish (for the benefit of persons unknown). Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:00:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Andrea http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/comment-page-7/#comment-93604 Andrea Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:40:28 +0000 http://boakes.org/?p=308#comment-93604 Better still Craig than a magnet..........to get my point try the strongest of magnets in close proximity to a fine stream of tap water and see the effect.....absolutely nothing but then try combing your hair and then put the comb close to the stream of water and maybe you will appreciate that you have wasted your money buying a magnet or come to think of it, the money you would waste buying an electronic treater device. Respond to me if you are sincere of learning the best product to adopt. Better still Craig than a magnet……….to get my point try the strongest of magnets in close proximity to a fine stream of tap water and see the effect…..absolutely nothing but then try combing your hair and then put the comb close to the stream of water and maybe you will appreciate that you have wasted your money buying a magnet or come to think of it, the money you would waste buying an electronic treater device. Respond to me if you are sincere of learning the best product to adopt.

]]> By: keith http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/comment-page-7/#comment-90638 keith Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:55:44 +0000 http://boakes.org/?p=308#comment-90638 I have tried reverse osmosis & two different types of crystal purifiers NO none of them work & sure before I go out there again & spend MORE cash without any guarantees where do i go now maybe someone out there can send me some positive ideas, the lime scale build up is destroying my hot & cold water systems. thanks I have tried reverse osmosis & two different types of crystal purifiers NO none of them work & sure before I go out there again & spend MORE cash without any guarantees where do i go now maybe someone out there can send me some positive ideas, the lime scale build up is destroying my hot & cold water systems. thanks

]]> By: gouchout http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/comment-page-7/#comment-90465 gouchout Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:54:47 +0000 http://boakes.org/?p=308#comment-90465 I found this on which.co.uk (which? magazine's website) when I searched for "Water Softeners" Thank you for your search in this area. Chemical based Water Softeners work with little variation, but electric and magnetic treatments have little scientific evidence to support their effectiveness. Which? is a non-profit organisation and regretfully testing these products would be beyond our resources, due to the length of time required to test and the cost." I think this clearly expresses Which?'s opinion on electronic/magnetic water treatment - i.e not worth buying. I found this on which.co.uk (which? magazine’s website) when I searched for “Water Softeners”

Thank you for your search in this area. Chemical based Water Softeners work with little variation, but electric and magnetic treatments have little scientific evidence to support their effectiveness. Which? is a non-profit organisation and regretfully testing these products would be beyond our resources, due to the length of time required to test and the cost.”

I think this clearly expresses Which?’s opinion on electronic/magnetic water treatment – i.e not worth buying.

]]> By: Paul Connelly http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/comment-page-2/#comment-84804 Paul Connelly Wed, 20 Apr 2011 13:07:07 +0000 http://boakes.org/?p=308#comment-84804 Well if the MOD and various other government departments spend our money ion water conditioner, they must work then. I can't imagine any government agency wasting a single penny of our hard-earned cash. Well if the MOD and various other government departments spend our money ion water conditioner, they must work then. I can’t imagine any government agency wasting a single penny of our hard-earned cash.

]]> By: Paul Connelly http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/comment-page-1/#comment-84803 Paul Connelly Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:53:12 +0000 http://boakes.org/?p=308#comment-84803 Douglas, thank you for this. You, along with many of the other contributors here, have saved me from making an expensive mistake. I am much obliged. Paul Connelly. Douglas, thank you for this. You, along with many of the other contributors here, have saved me from making an expensive mistake. I am much obliged. Paul Connelly.

]]> By: Andrea http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/comment-page-7/#comment-80773 Andrea Tue, 15 Feb 2011 21:05:43 +0000 http://boakes.org/?p=308#comment-80773 The response seems a little coincidental and maybe Charlotte's unit will turn out to be a Little Plumber afterall, suprise, suprise! My question was, "why do you think that your electronic device or any other similar product actually works?". There are many electronic devices that have a no-risk-free basis in order to function as they do require products of corrosion from some soarse in order to "work" and that is why the risk is there for the premature thinning out of pipework that results in pin-hole leaks at best. The response seems a little coincidental and maybe Charlotte’s unit will turn out to be a Little Plumber afterall, suprise, suprise!
My question was, “why do you think that your electronic device or any other similar product actually works?”. There are many electronic devices that have a no-risk-free basis in order to function as they do require products of corrosion from some soarse in order to “work” and that is why the risk is there for the premature thinning out of pipework that results in pin-hole leaks at best.

]]> By: Craig Yarbles http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/comment-page-7/#comment-80200 Craig Yarbles Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:25:49 +0000 http://boakes.org/?p=308#comment-80200 Scrape some limescale out of the bottom of your kettle, buy a powerful neodymium magnet off ebay or find/borrow the best one you can get and try to pick up some limescale with it, if you get lots buy a commercial one, if you get nothing then it's a hoax. Scrape some limescale out of the bottom of your kettle, buy a powerful neodymium magnet off ebay or find/borrow the best one you can get and try to pick up some limescale with it, if you get lots buy a commercial one, if you get nothing then it’s a hoax.

]]> By: Charlotte http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/comment-page-7/#comment-79865 Charlotte Tue, 08 Feb 2011 22:21:25 +0000 http://boakes.org/?p=308#comment-79865 I found this website when looking for information on the electronic water deioniser which is what I think we have in our house. My mum bought one years and years ago and its been under the kitchen sink, red light blinking away at me plugged into the wall and I havent really given it much of a thought. Until yesterday, when it turns out in October (4 months ago) she installed an outside tap and at the same time removed the electronic thing because it was getting in her way. I think it must have worked because our kitchen tap now has limescale build up on it at the base when it never did before, I've also noticed our taps have been dripping a lot lately but never really thought a lot to it just kept thinking I wasnt turning them off properly! Also when thinking about it my skin has been a lot drier recently and itchy and when I mentioned it to her in this conversation she said hers had been the same. So what the box actually did I don't know because I havent yet been able to find a definitive answer on how they work, I'm not sure where she's put it but I want to find out the name of the product and do a bit more research. The limescale is a definite thing, we didnt have it before when the box was on and we have it now, now the box is off. I'll go check the kettle too actually. The dry/itchy skin thing is a bit more difficult to attribute to not having it as there are so many other factors involved but it makes sense to me. Once my mum's back I will get the box put back on and see what happens to the tap! (and our skin!) Charlotte (Suffolk) I found this website when looking for information on the electronic water deioniser which is what I think we have in our house. My mum bought one years and years ago and its been under the kitchen sink, red light blinking away at me plugged into the wall and I havent really given it much of a thought. Until yesterday, when it turns out in October (4 months ago) she installed an outside tap and at the same time removed the electronic thing because it was getting in her way. I think it must have worked because our kitchen tap now has limescale build up on it at the base when it never did before, I’ve also noticed our taps have been dripping a lot lately but never really thought a lot to it just kept thinking I wasnt turning them off properly! Also when thinking about it my skin has been a lot drier recently and itchy and when I mentioned it to her in this conversation she said hers had been the same. So what the box actually did I don’t know because I havent yet been able to find a definitive answer on how they work, I’m not sure where she’s put it but I want to find out the name of the product and do a bit more research. The limescale is a definite thing, we didnt have it before when the box was on and we have it now, now the box is off. I’ll go check the kettle too actually. The dry/itchy skin thing is a bit more difficult to attribute to not having it as there are so many other factors involved but it makes sense to me. Once my mum’s back I will get the box put back on and see what happens to the tap! (and our skin!) Charlotte (Suffolk)

]]> By: Andrea http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/comment-page-7/#comment-79657 Andrea Sun, 06 Feb 2011 19:47:23 +0000 http://boakes.org/?p=308#comment-79657 I should have thought that four months is quite long enough for an explanation as to how Little Plumber works without causing long term damage to the installations that they are attached. I should have thought that four months is quite long enough for an explanation as to how Little Plumber works without causing long term damage to the installations that they are attached.

]]> By: Andrea http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/comment-page-7/#comment-66656 Andrea Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:52:08 +0000 http://boakes.org/?p=308#comment-66656 Hi, The situation seems to have got a little bitchy since my last visit so I thought to try to get back to the mechanics of electronic devices may be a good thing. Some electronic devices over the past 20 years have proved to be capable of functioning with various water temperatures and are unaffected by differing flow rates but they do rely upon a source of metallic particles or trace elements that more than likely come from ongoing electrolysis or erosion activity within the system, therefore, the thinning of pipes and water channels in heat exchangers are at possible risk. A possible half-truth statement for marketing electronic devices is that "crystal growth is preceded by nucleation, although the actual mechanism for nucleation is still uncertain". Electromagnetic devices certainly need products of corrosion in order to function, leached or otherwise already within the incoming water supply. Electronic devices are known to have diminishing impulses in the region of pipe-couplings, valves and bends that interfere with the direction of flow and it is at these vulnerable points that corrosion due to erosion is most likely to occur. Miniscule amounts of leached zinc, etc., from pipes and fittings are believed to be responsible for affecting the precipitation of lime-scale, with no evidence that electromagnet fields by themselves have any direct affect. The only way that a galvanic circuit for the prevention of corrosion can function, without causing any covert damage, comprises the metals at risk connected intimately or by wire to the anode that is in contact with non-pure water that is in contact with the metals at risk. This principal is sound and fully recognised by the science of civil engineering for corrosion protection and if zinc is the preferred material for the anode the following publication of its lime-scale precipitation benefits will provide conclusive reading: PP Coetzee*, M Yacoby and S Howell Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Hand Afrikaans University, PO Box 524, Johannesburg 2006, South Africa Abstract “Zinc species released from the surface of physical water treatment devices into the feed water are shown to be primarily responsible for scale inhibition effects observed in three different types of physical water treatment (PWT) devices. The three types of PWT devices included units based on a magnetic field provided by a permanent magnet; a high frequency electric field; and a "catalytic conversion" process. Freshly released zinc from PWT devices was shown to have a marked effect on the induction period for CaCO3 precipitation and on the crystal morphology of CaCO3. No measurable effect on the crystallization reaction for calcium carbonate ascribable to the magnetic or electrical fields caused by the devices under investigation could be found.” Be honest Little Plumber person, why do you think that your electronic device or any other actually works? Hi,

The situation seems to have got a little bitchy since my last visit so I thought to try to get back to the mechanics of electronic devices may be a good thing.

Some electronic devices over the past 20 years have proved to be capable of functioning with various water temperatures and are unaffected by differing flow rates but they do rely upon a source of metallic particles or trace elements that more than likely come from ongoing electrolysis or erosion activity within the system, therefore, the thinning of pipes and water channels in heat exchangers are at possible risk.

A possible half-truth statement for marketing electronic devices is that “crystal growth is preceded by nucleation, although the actual mechanism for nucleation is still uncertain”. Electromagnetic devices certainly need products of corrosion in order to function, leached or otherwise already within the incoming water supply.

Electronic devices are known to have diminishing impulses in the region of pipe-couplings, valves and bends that interfere with the direction of flow and it is at these vulnerable points that corrosion due to erosion is most likely to occur. Miniscule amounts of leached zinc, etc., from pipes and fittings are believed to be responsible for affecting the precipitation of lime-scale, with no evidence that electromagnet fields by themselves have any direct affect.
The only way that a galvanic circuit for the prevention of corrosion can function, without causing any covert damage, comprises the metals at risk connected intimately or by wire to the anode that is in contact with non-pure water that is in contact with the metals at risk. This principal is sound and fully recognised by the science of civil engineering for corrosion protection and if zinc is the preferred material for the anode the following publication of its lime-scale precipitation benefits will provide conclusive reading:
PP Coetzee*, M Yacoby and S Howell Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Hand Afrikaans University, PO Box 524, Johannesburg 2006, South Africa
Abstract
“Zinc species released from the surface of physical water treatment devices into the feed water are shown to be primarily responsible for scale inhibition effects observed in three different types of physical water treatment (PWT) devices. The three types of PWT devices included units based on a magnetic field provided by a permanent magnet; a high frequency electric field; and a “catalytic conversion” process. Freshly released zinc from PWT devices was shown to have a marked effect on the induction period for CaCO3 precipitation and on the crystal morphology of CaCO3.
No measurable effect on the crystallization reaction for calcium carbonate ascribable to the magnetic or electrical fields caused by the devices under investigation could be found.”

Be honest Little Plumber person, why do you think that your electronic device or any other actually works?

]]> By: x http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/comment-page-7/#comment-66511 x Sun, 26 Sep 2010 00:26:53 +0000 http://boakes.org/?p=308#comment-66511 Thanks Gavin, it was fun but you are only damaging your business opportunities by hanging around here and bantering with jerks that want proof....not to mention jerks that smell the makings of a feeding frenzy. Chances are, you are taking on water...perhaps more than if you had just gone about business as usual and not presented yourself as chum. Paul could indeed be a complete fake...which differs from you in what way? And...as a side note for future reference: I turned from an analytical observer/smartass commenter into whatever you prefer to refer to me as at the instant that you mentioned the spellchecker thing. Thank you Richard Noggin! X Thanks Gavin, it was fun but you are only damaging your business opportunities by hanging around here and bantering with jerks that want proof….not to mention jerks that smell the makings of a feeding frenzy.
Chances are, you are taking on water…perhaps more than if you had just gone about business as usual and not presented yourself as chum.
Paul could indeed be a complete fake…which differs from you in what way?
And…as a side note for future reference: I turned from an analytical observer/smartass commenter into whatever you prefer to refer to me as at the instant that you mentioned the spellchecker thing.
Thank you Richard Noggin!
X

]]> By: Paul http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/comment-page-7/#comment-66440 Paul Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:15:03 +0000 http://boakes.org/?p=308#comment-66440 Guess things getting tough.. People not agreeing with you, better run away. Give me your address and i'll send you your item that i didn't buy???? I'll trust you to refund me. I'll want full refund plus Royal mail signed for delivery please. Then you can stop telling me i didn't buy. Is that ok? Guess things getting tough.. People not agreeing with you, better run away. Give me your address and i’ll send you your item that i didn’t buy???? I’ll trust you to refund me. I’ll want full refund plus Royal mail signed for delivery please. Then you can stop telling me i didn’t buy. Is that ok?

]]> By: Gavin http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/comment-page-7/#comment-66422 Gavin Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:40:24 +0000 http://boakes.org/?p=308#comment-66422 Doesn't say much for the integrity of your contributors. I wouldn't believe anything they say in future and red wine or not I don't take kindly to people making accusations that we don't honour our guarantees. This is from Green Thinking the Company that Paul says he bought our SOLO from. "Hi Gavin, Just been reading that forum where this ‘Paul’ is claiming that we refused to refund him. Firstly I can assure anyone that we would never have said anything like the following statement ‘I call them and asked to return but they said i had 28 days under distant selling act or something.’ We have a 7 day no quibble refund policy on all products and past that will sort issues out under the manufacturer’s warranty if the product is faulty. Apart from on your products where as you know they can claim a full refund within a 12 month period which again as you know we honour this policy as we claim the refund back from yourself. Further to the above, I have searched our records and can find no record of selling an LP solo to anyone called Paul. I can’t find any record of the sale or any request for a refund. Have you checked your records to see if asked you to send an LP Solo to anyone called Paul? I would assume he just Googled the product to see who else sells them and just picked us as random. Many thanks, Alex Newby Managing Director Green Thinking." I think this is probably where I quit BOAKES as I am increasingly uncomfortable with it's integrity and that of it's contributors......Gavin Doesn’t say much for the integrity of your contributors. I wouldn’t believe anything they say in future and red wine or not I don’t take kindly to people making accusations that we don’t honour our guarantees. This is from Green Thinking the Company that Paul says he bought our SOLO from.

“Hi Gavin,

Just been reading that forum where this ‘Paul’ is claiming that we refused to refund him. Firstly I can assure anyone that we would never have said anything like the following statement ‘I call them and asked to return but they said i had 28 days under distant selling act or something.’ We have a 7 day no quibble refund policy on all products and past that will sort issues out under the manufacturer’s warranty if the product is faulty. Apart from on your products where as you know they can claim a full refund within a 12 month period which again as you know we honour this policy as we claim the refund back from yourself.

Further to the above, I have searched our records and can find no record of selling an LP solo to anyone called Paul. I can’t find any record of the sale or any request for a refund. Have you checked your records to see if asked you to send an LP Solo to anyone called Paul? I would assume he just Googled the product to see who else sells them and just picked us as random.

Many thanks,

Alex Newby

Managing Director
Green Thinking.”

I think this is probably where I quit BOAKES as I am increasingly uncomfortable with it’s integrity and that of it’s contributors……Gavin

]]> By: x http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/comment-page-6/#comment-66347 x Thu, 23 Sep 2010 03:56:20 +0000 http://boakes.org/?p=308#comment-66347 Gavin, what does your country have to say about the "efficacy" of your products? Please take as long as you need to dig up an answer that any branch of your country's government is willing to stand behind. Please don't forget to post the actual links as vague references have about the same value as testimonials. X Gavin,
what does your country have to say about the “efficacy” of your products?
Please take as long as you need to dig up an answer that any branch of your country’s government is willing to stand behind.
Please don’t forget to post the actual links as vague references have about the same value as testimonials.
X

]]> By: Paul http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/comment-page-6/#comment-66314 Paul Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:40:44 +0000 http://boakes.org/?p=308#comment-66314 Having little success with Time Machine. Will give it a little longer and then give up. I May even be crazy!!! and try and soften water with it again using the cosmic rays or what ever it does. My cat Jim Bob does like playing with the leads. I may wrap it round his paws and see if it softens his fur. Again Gavin if it does work if want 50/50. Eventually we may even find something it does do successfully . Well apart from cat toy. Red wine is good for idea's i find and i love the idea of beige sunglasses. Followed a beige Mini on the way home, it looked good. Not enough beige stuff about anymore. Bring on the beige !!! Gavin, you can that idea for free.. Having little success with Time Machine. Will give it a little longer and then give up. I May even be crazy!!! and try and soften water with it again using the cosmic rays or what ever it does. My cat Jim Bob does like playing with the leads. I may wrap it round his paws and see if it softens his fur. Again Gavin if it does work if want 50/50. Eventually we may even find something it does do successfully . Well apart from cat toy.

Red wine is good for idea’s i find and i love the idea of beige sunglasses. Followed a beige Mini on the way home, it looked good. Not enough beige stuff about anymore. Bring on the beige !!! Gavin, you can that idea for free..

]]> By: x http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/comment-page-6/#comment-66217 x Tue, 21 Sep 2010 01:50:37 +0000 http://boakes.org/?p=308#comment-66217 It makes perfect sense to me...although I do feel inclined to warn Paul that somewhere out there in hyperspace is a rematerializing mass of water spots that are increasing at a rate that keeps the manufacturer of the device that creates them too busy to comment. On the other hand, he could be traveling through Hydrospace and having a little plunger (no typo) along could ease certain restrictions. Paul...was it like a white light at the end of a long tunnel or more like a thick swim through dark matter? What color of wine is best...red or white? What color of glasses is best...red, white or beige? You know, somebody could jump in here at any time, present some factual evidence and make us all look like a bunch of buffoons...but I'm fairly certain that Paul will exceed light speed through pond scum before that happens! Paul... earlier posts caused suspicion...especially by this Guy/Girl/Man/Woman thing that used to post here. I dont care if you read this now, yesterday or sometime beyond tomorrow...whatever works for you. Enjoy! X It makes perfect sense to me…although I do feel inclined to warn Paul that somewhere out there in hyperspace is a rematerializing mass of water spots that are increasing at a rate that keeps the manufacturer of the device that creates them too busy to comment.
On the other hand, he could be traveling through Hydrospace and having a little plunger (no typo) along could ease certain restrictions.
Paul…was it like a white light at the end of a long tunnel or more like a thick swim through dark matter?
What color of wine is best…red or white?
What color of glasses is best…red, white or beige?
You know, somebody could jump in here at any time, present some factual evidence and make us all look like a bunch of buffoons…but I’m fairly certain that Paul will exceed light speed through pond scum before that happens!
Paul… earlier posts caused suspicion…especially by this Guy/Girl/Man/Woman thing that used to post here.
I dont care if you read this now, yesterday or sometime beyond tomorrow…whatever works for you.
Enjoy!
X

]]> By: Rich http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/comment-page-6/#comment-66206 Rich Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:49:06 +0000 http://boakes.org/?p=308#comment-66206 Confirm: I see only 1 Paul.... The IP addresses match. What we don't know is if these are in fact one Paul revisiting the same point in time on two separate machines, thus appearing to be two people and confirming the success of the time machine before it has been completed. Confirm: I see only 1 Paul…. The IP addresses match. What we don’t know is if these are in fact one Paul revisiting the same point in time on two separate machines, thus appearing to be two people and confirming the success of the time machine before it has been completed.

]]> By: Paul http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/comment-page-6/#comment-66135 Paul Sat, 18 Sep 2010 21:10:39 +0000 http://boakes.org/?p=308#comment-66135 Also Gavin. If my time machine does work i'll allow you to use me as one of your success stories just like those hotels and other important clients who say the little plumbers are magic. Although if you start to sell as parts of time machines i'm gonna wanna take a cut.. 50/50 sound ok?? Also Gavin. If my time machine does work i’ll allow you to use me as one of your success stories just like those hotels and other important clients who say the little plumbers are magic. Although if you start to sell as parts of time machines i’m gonna wanna take a cut.. 50/50 sound ok??

]]> By: Paul http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/comment-page-6/#comment-66134 Paul Sat, 18 Sep 2010 21:05:38 +0000 http://boakes.org/?p=308#comment-66134 Not two Pauls just one.. Though amazed i keep coming back. Few glasses on red wine and i trawl the net for something to do. Everybody very suspicious on here though..But then i guess we are all talking about a machine that doesn't work. I am now trying to turn my spare bedroom into a time machine and will be using my Little Plumber Solo as one of the parts. Can't tell you what else i'm using at this moment just in case it works. Don't want you stealing my ideas. Not two Pauls just one.. Though amazed i keep coming back. Few glasses on red wine and i trawl the net for something to do. Everybody very suspicious on here though..But then i guess we are all talking about a machine that doesn’t work. I am now trying to turn my spare bedroom into a time machine and will be using my Little Plumber Solo as one of the parts. Can’t tell you what else i’m using at this moment just in case it works. Don’t want you stealing my ideas.

]]> By: x http://boakes.org/do-electronic-limescale-inhibitors-work/comment-page-6/#comment-66106 x Sat, 18 Sep 2010 03:30:05 +0000 http://boakes.org/?p=308#comment-66106 Darn it... did it again! Darn it… did it again!

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